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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk Unlike regular mailing list emails, emails to -owner@ are forwa= rded as-is to mailing list owners, which means they will probably be bloc= ked later on as the mailing list email server is not the legitimate sende= r. This breaks SPF/DMARC. In my case, smtp-relay.gmail.com (which I use t= o emit mailing list emails) refuses to forward any such email. I did not dig too much into ways to fix this because most (if not all) em= ails to these address are spam anyway, some of them passing spamassassin = filters. But it may be better to do things properly at some point. --=20 C=C3=A9lestin Matte