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I'm kind of surprised by the direction of this conversation, because I'm aware of some problematic cases. Even if none of us were, that wouldn't mean that there are no problems. People are going to be understandably reluctant to discuss their terms of employment publicly. I guess I'm in the minority here, but I feel like Cornelia's proposals are perfectly reasonable ideas. There are, of course, lots of practical problems. For instance, if we wished to recognize companies that do the right thing around non-competes, we'd have to define what that is, and there is no guarantee that every company treats every employee the same way, and companies might be reluctant to make blanket promises. And, if we wished to have a foundation to employ PostgreSQL contributors, someone would need to provide the money, and there would inevitably be some challenges around how that money got allocated and who got to make decisions about it. But if I had a billion dollars, would I use some of it to set up a PostgreSQL foundation and hand out grants for community work? Heck yeah I would. I think that'd be awesome. I just don't have a billion dollars. --=20 Robert Haas EDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com