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Le 10/11/2025 à 21:42, Justin Clift a écrit :
> On 2025-11-11 05:01, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Attached is a draft of the 2025-11-13 release announcement. Please provide 
>> feedback on correctness, notable omissions no later than 2025-11-13 12:00 
>> UTC (and ideally earlier!)
>
> With this:
>
>   > All PostgreSQL update releases are cumulative. As with other minor releases,
>   > users are not required to dump and reload their database or use `pg_upgrade`
>   > in order to apply this update release; you may simply shutdown PostgreSQL 
> and
>   > update its binaries.
>   >
>   > Users who have skipped one or more update releases may need to run 
> additional
>   > post-update steps; please see the release notes from earlier versions for
>   > details.
>
> It kind of gives the impression that post-upgrade steps aren't really needed
> unless one or more update releases have been skipped.  Not sure of better
> wording though.
>
This paragraph has been used as is for many releases. I guess people who have 
read it many times don't really think of it anymore. And I don't personally 
thought of it as you do. Maybe we could juste turn the last phrase upside down :

"Please see release notes for details on potential post-upgrade steps. Users 
who have skipped one or more update releases may need to run additional 
post-update steps."

Is it really any better?

Best,

Stéphane

-- 
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Contact régional PostgreSQL pour l'Europe francophone
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 10/11/2025 à 21:42, Justin Clift a
      écrit :<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:abc4e4e658e230993e9623fc083e9965@postgresql.org">On
      2025-11-11 05:01, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Hi,
        <br>
        <br>
        Attached is a draft of the 2025-11-13 release announcement.
        Please provide feedback on correctness, notable omissions no
        later than 2025-11-13 12:00 UTC (and ideally earlier!)
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      With this:
      <br>
      <br>
        &gt; All PostgreSQL update releases are cumulative. As with
      other minor releases,
      <br>
        &gt; users are not required to dump and reload their database or
      use `pg_upgrade`
      <br>
        &gt; in order to apply this update release; you may simply
      shutdown PostgreSQL and
      <br>
        &gt; update its binaries.
      <br>
        &gt;
      <br>
        &gt; Users who have skipped one or more update releases may need
      to run additional
      <br>
        &gt; post-update steps; please see the release notes from
      earlier versions for
      <br>
        &gt; details.
      <br>
      <br>
      It kind of gives the impression that post-upgrade steps aren't
      really needed
      <br>
      unless one or more update releases have been skipped.  Not sure of
      better
      <br>
      wording though.
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <p>This paragraph has been used as is for many releases. I guess
      people who have read it many times don't really think of it
      anymore. And I don't personally thought of it as you do. Maybe we
      could juste turn the last phrase upside down :</p>
    <p>"Please see release notes for details on potential post-upgrade
      steps. Users who have skipped one or more update releases may need
      to run additional post-update steps."</p>
    <p>Is it really any better?</p>
    <p>Best,</p>
    <p>Stéphane</p>
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        <div><font color="#00aee6">Dr Stéphane Schildknecht</font></div>
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        <div>+33 617 11 37 42</div>
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